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vvvv_50beta38

Surprise!

Another release just out of the gray only 2.5 months after the previous. How come?

The last beta37 release proofed to be quite stable, hardly any too concerning bug reports, but we have a breaking change to introduce and think this is a good moment. Hear us out:

If you're a vvvv-only user, you're safe. This release only has minor changes compared to beta37, so there shouldn't be any reason for you not to upgrade. Horray!

If you're also using VL, we're afraid, but swallow this:

.vl documents saved with beta38 are not backwards compatible with beta37!

Since there are hardly any other changes, we recommend you also switch as soon as possible and never look back...

So why the breaking change?

It's about how values get stored in IO boxes and pins. They now use the same serialization technique we already introduced as a node set for beta37. This means that we can store any data inside patches for which a serializer is registered - be it a spread of values, a dictionary or even a custom record:

A spread of values in b37 and b38

And as a second example a dictionary from string to value

A dictionary of values in b37 and b37

It might not look as much yet but it is a first step to get proper IO boxes back.

So apart from that another worth mentioning improvement is a new short cut called Ctrl+K which creates pins for the selected pads and puts them on the Create and Split operations of the containing patch

Ctrk+K

All other changes can be found the as usual in the Changelog.

Yours,
devvvvs.

Elias, Tuesday, Nov 20th 2018 Digg | Tweet | Delicious 4 comments  
velcrome 23/11/2018 - 01:02

cool for the auto-init/split and all, also looking forward for the progress you've made with xenko.

but the backwards-incompatibility is a shame. especially because I don't get why going from "single-value" to "single-value-or-many-values-or-xml" would stop parsing the old version.

I hope you find a way to mitigate that, maybe provide a converter of some sort. Not being able to upgrade any vl project is a slam in the face.

tonfilm 23/11/2018 - 04:20
velcrome said
but the backwards-incompatibility is a shame. especially because I don't get why going from "single-value" to "single-value-or-many-values-or-xml" would stop parsing the old version.

I hope you find a way to mitigate that, maybe provide a converter of some sort. Not being able to upgrade any vl project is a slam in the face.

@velcrome it sounds like you think you cannot open your old projects with beta38, but its the other way around: if you save a vl document with the new beta38 you cannot read it anymore with beta37, so all older vl documents open just fine with beta38 and since there is almost no other change it should be a no brainer.

velcrome 23/11/2018 - 13:33

ok, so only as usual. must have misread that, never mind then.

joreg 24/11/2018 - 15:03
velcrome said
ok, so only as usual.

no! usually there are no breaking changes from one release to the next. ie. usually you can open documents saved with a new version still with an older version. we take a lot of care to not cause such troubles. in the rare cases it happens, we are extra explicit about it (like above) so everyone knows and can prepare. hope this clarifies.

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~2d ago

ravazquez: @catweasel it was late when I wrote that, it's probably not the case, will test and report

~2d ago

catweasel: @ravazquez in separate instances of vvvv? Awesome if so!

~4d ago

ravazquez: @karistouf you can use my Global S&R contribution for this purpose

~5d ago

joreg: yes, no S/R. OSC is one way to communicate btw. instnces.

~5d ago

karistouf: @joreg: between 2 differents instances of VVVV on same computer,no S and R (values) possible ? only OSC way ?

~7d ago

tonfilm: glad to share the second update on the #vl #xenko #3d library: #vvvv #visualprogramming #creativecoding vl-xenko-3d-engine-update-2

~9d ago

joreg: rather toot then tweet? follow the hype and us on mastodon: https://mastodon.xyz/@vvvv #vvvv

~9d ago

ggml: any recommendation for renting visuals-grade pcs in berlin ?

~9d ago

metrowave: Structure Sensor Core now for Windows: https://store.structure.io/buy/structure-core cool features, could be useful in vvvv